Asparagus can be eaten raw as well as cooked, it is used as a remedy for urinary . Still a lot more intuitive. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. His portfolio includes five books and several hundred historical articles.". 1. But only at long range. The Arado B-2 has a great flight model, very maneuverable and easy to pull up out of a dive attack. they turn by applying breaks to one track to initiate the turn. Pretty immune to 88's. All in all, these things boil down to the sort of trade offs that are to be expected. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. Not to mention Algy's unclean, raw and charismatic voice. It takes about 0.5-1s to stop but experienced player can fire earlier - APHE just needs to hit center-mass of a Centurion to kill it. Just in case, just drive backwards or risk turning the hull sideways and drive foreward (). This is a battle of patience and cunning. How do you bounce on a flat piece of armour? Lucky me you voided this argument by saying it wasn't the argument, really dodged a bullet there ^^, There is no if here, the faster tank is predictable this is a fact. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. Hard cover will always be superior to armor in WT. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. Eh, you can get the same effect with having a slow vehicle suddenly appear where no one expects it at a particular time, it also brings a more shock and awe effect as its victims try to fathem what they are looking at and how it gotthere, thegood times to be had Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be at that point. The Tiger IIs' cannons do not bounce like M18s on trampolines, no matter how much people pretend that they do. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. In Panther? It works wonders unless you have to make a regressive retreat. Up until only pz 2 is miserable a bit compare to m3 or bt7 etc. You don't want that then that is fine, noted. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. Which is situational and works only on several maps. Despite the hype, Allied fighter-bombers are not hypermaneuverable UFOs when they're laden with their payloads--they're easy meat for things like the Bf 109s and La-5s. That being said I wanted to ask them to get answers, because for me it is important. That ammo should not be stock! Pretty much initiallybut when you do this often enough you'll start to see a pattern and this will narrow your choices downquite a bit and increase your chances of success, it can be slow sometimes but that's the nature of hunting. Born Lucile Randon on 11 February 1904 in Ales, the world's oldest person. While true a slower tank doesn'tneed totravel very far to find a position that overlooks the positions one wouldplan on exploiting so by the time the fast tanks shows up the slow tankis waiting in its position ready to fire as the fast tank usually has to travel across half the map and the slow tank only has to travel a quarter of the map or less to counter. I'm a regular war thunder player if you want to contact me= discord= TelDu3998we also have our own discord server https://dis. While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. Most matches against germany is like this, constant spam of Me 262's, arados, Do 335's, He 219's. So many BS planes capable of taking out 5-10 tanks before running out of ammo (but you know, US CAS is soo OP) Worst thing about it, allies can't do shit back. Uptier your Panthers that can't even penetrate the side of the T__ turret? Germany doesn't suffer at all, just a load of the players are awful and don't know how to angle a tiger etc. Any player should understand that, especially new players! encyclopedia. Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. He can cap first and when wait till in an ambush till you start to decap. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. Yes but this is should be fixed for once and for all. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. - Only usableTiger I is the 5.3 Tiger I. He will retreat and find a way around you. Noone does the same with panthers. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. Germany should rely on armor but more often than not it is countered with vehicles that can lol pen. Their is a perfect blend of fast paced numbers (Warcurse, Escalation) and slower, more groove-oriented thrash in the vein of Pantera's Cowboys From Hell, in particular Destroy What Destroys You. The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. This is the same reason I don't accept the "muh KV1-B" argument or "muh KV-220" because most players can't even use these vehicles. T92, T114 are the most common culprits but yes there are more. So in short up until br 6.7 theres nothing much. The issue is that T__ are better than every heavy in game all the way up until the IS-3, and their BR should reflect that. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. Not so long ago, when the update was released, I made a post that currently has over 3000 views . If you shoot the side of the turret its about 175mm thick but if you shoot the hull its about 77mm thick. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. Which he can only do if he knows where you are, you can't flank what you can't see now can you. That's a big if there, an M18 still isn't fast enough to out run a gun so its unlikely for them to survive long enough to retreat out of an ambushand flank you, heck even half of them that do make it out get blown up latertrying to flank you as they may become careless with hatred. Not sure why, maybe it's a new bug or there's a spall shield I'm unaware of, but it's really annoying. By Then yes, M18 would be toast. What makes teams such an acute problem? Thats why the Germans tend to be passive. Recently I got the MiG 19s and its just been soul draining bad because off missile spamming and almost constant uptears, so I try to go back to the MiG 15 and G.91 but they experience a similar problem. Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. "situational" any map with a rock, wall, or building allows you to take advantage of the stabilizer. Your observations are not a statistical fact or some sort of general trend setting. India. Most German fighters can either take a 500kg bomb or a 250kg bomb. Apds isn't guaranteed damage actually put rounds through things and have done no damage on many occasions. Fapadoska, 1 hour ago in Questions to the Team. Walter Dorn. But that doesn't change the fact that the tank have bad reverse speeds,, fit in with all the other bad aspects of the Panther in this game, like bad low speed movement due to the missing regenerative steering. panzer ii ausf l luchs mit bildern panzer panzer ii. Also, most capture points are arranged such to allow for substantial firing work into/out of them from such ranges. The turret is ok, not the best, but gives the 76mm and 85mm some trouble. I don't think the hull of the king tiger is worse, it's obviously better, I'm just saying it's not better by a huge margin. Otherwise we can also assume incompetent Panther players who just drive on the highest hill and stand in the open hoping that noone sees them and try to snipe enemies. How to use automatic gear optimal to get the Panther moving: If you move on flat or rising terrain, roads are an exception, use the 2nd auto gear. FRENCH ATGMS ARE NON-EXISTENT. If you liked it, feel free to sub. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. If it's perfectly fine as a comparison, then why is CQC fighting the rulewhen GJ is designing maps,while we clearly can make it a more interesting battle if every nation can face their strengths and shortcomings on the battlefield. I've said that I'm looking at things that are perceived as suffering but aren't in the interest of finding and isolating the true examples for sake of fixing these things. Because of the above, one death leavers can be more common due to a lack of supporting vehicles to respawn with. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44-100. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. Panther speedcross country on flat terrain is42km/h. You can penetrate e.g. The Me 410 B-6/R3 is considerably more competitive than people think. Getting ahead is stupidly hard. These same players will often say that German vehicles lesser mobility means the Germans simply cannot compete with the more nimble Allied vehicles--ignoring Germanys other merits. All in all, these things boil down to the sort of trade offs that are to be expected. And that goes for anyone regardless of nation. And that's just fighting american 6.7 with other 6.7s good luck in 5.7 vehicles when you get uptiered, lol. The Brit needs 2-3 good hits to kill the KT, while the KT just takes one hit to blow the Cent up with huge APHE. Charlotte Elizabeth, Principalities and powers in heavenly places, 1842. Mobility - and this is actually the main point. By Back to the topic/question, could someone explain to me why AB's german players are willing to leave matches that haven't even gotten to the real brawling yet. In that experience, I have found that. It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". for example to prove what i said u can see that with panther A br reduce to 5.7 germany teams improved a lot, because panthers have much better gun handling than tigers. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. The Tiger II's gun is stabilized but it doesn't bounce. Real German problem here---> East Germany, "Where's our tank? With the (by my understanding) more recent ai changes in air realistic battles the ai is now invulerable to most guns, this also led to a lack of engagement in the maps that were made to adapt the changes, are there plans to change the current player-a.i. If by any standards the Panther is far more stable due to its suspension, what does that make the Sherman series, especially in a CQC situation where the medium low speeds are to its' advantage? So don't play into his game, your typical player basereallygets a kick out of surprises. interactions? As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. More like genre savvy actuallyI know the score. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. As the matter relates to teams' statuses and ticket bleed, the capture point's alignment once captured is ended from the moment it is captured until the moment that hold on it is broken or the game ends. The Tiger I is hard to play and inferior to the Panther! It's very weak side armor also means that it's close to pointless to angle it, compared to the Tiger I. The T34 where as it has more penetration it has a longer reload and solid shot which recently seems to have suffered a reduced damage output off it round. If the team melts, the team melts. Interesting, unless you are talking about the driving comfort of the crew I thought we had a couple of long discussions on here where you said main gun bounciness compared to stabilized tanks like the Sherman series are negligible. 1 Description 2 General info 2.1 Survivability and armour 2.2 Mobility 2.3 Modifications and economy 3 Armaments 3.1 Main armament 3.1.1 Ammunition 3.1.2 Ammo racks 3.2 Machine guns 4 Usage in battles 4.1 Pros and cons 5 History 6 Media 7 See also 8 External links Description He will command the rules of engagement and the battleground not you. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. - During all that time you will be sitting in your spot hoping that the enemy pops up exactly where you predict it knowing that he could also pop up behind you. 1. ronica blake. In other words it's very hard to find a proper backup. While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. There's also the issue of the T__ having 6 crew all very well spaced apart, so if by some miracle I get lucky enough to do damage the T__ will just reverse away at high speed and repair. Well suited for precision bombing, its 2 guaranteed kills. His vocals stand in contrast with the somewhat polished production. Or is it? The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. Ok, so you don't agree that it is easier to flank with small and fast vehicles? germany 5.3-6.3 problem its the same as soviet mbts 8.7-10.3 problem. But it will go as well as it would if American tanks went up to 6.7. (well until last update and the introduction of M41). He will retreat and find a way around you. But to argue the tiger 2 has a worse hull than the T series is a joke. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. He can easily continue flank and pen King Tigers from the side. T28 with 305mm of frontal armor at 6.3? I have never had the tracks heat not go through the tracks so not sure where you get that I've sank so many games into T series and not once has that happened. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. Add the EBR 1954 Version in the Tech tree, add the French Tiger 1 'Bretagne', add the French stabilised gun variant of the AMX-10RC and AMX-30 in the main tech tree . And i find that the 88 one shots the T series rather easily now through the turret. Least I've been setting off ammo in them basically everytime. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. MidCii; Jul . (Oh how many times I have shot the IS6 turret from 400m and all I did was turn the gunner yellow) Plus they have things like T44 which are very bouncy to the 88. And here comes the issue with uptiers. Its a fine argument, it fits into the"why would I drive over there to shoot them from 10 feet awaywhen I can sit here 1000+ meters away and kill them?" With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. 2. But like I've said, this is not an issue affecting only Germany. With a particular fixation on the M18, German players often complain about German vehicles and how they lack the mobility of their Allied opponents. That's where the Panther gets stuck due to bad low speed mobility. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Well you know what they say, the turtle always wins. Slow vehicle that suddenly appears. 3. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. Samuel Tito Pessa. Mobility is simply king in this game. Ferdi is 7.0 and I did managed 17 kills a match. #15. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. Not possible. Germany has some of the best CAS, the best SPAA, the best light tanks, and just the best overall line up at 6.7 yet they are generally performing in the range or sometimes below that of worse nations at the same BR despite facing the same threats such as France, Italy, and Japan. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. Not being able to be constructive in any way seems key to yourself. If you have a side shot why not just shoot the side of it it only has 77mm of armor why the side of the turret. I'm also fine with the T30 at 6.7 since it has such a long reload, but the T34 really ought to be 7.0 just because of how ridiculous it is against 5.7s in a downtier. The basic problem with this grievance is that people figure they need to have a vehicle as fast as their enemies to win--you dont. You have to be reactive rather than proactive and take advantage of mistakes made by allied players. The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc, Stock ammo of the Leo 1 is the same as every other 105mm L7 at 7.7. Canon CAS is quite strong if left unchecked. Armor is lolpened by DM33 and higher. In that experience, I have found that German vehicles mobility is adequate and generally competitive with these peers--despite all of the derisive talk you hear otherwise. It doesn't cover up that much of a hull you can shoot it reasonably well. While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. It's as hard to shoot a the turret of a tiger 2 as it is to shoot a T series turret. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. Turret is 200mm at it's weakest and will bounce if the enemy angles or is at long range. I've heard that damage output might be linked to vehicle tiers and the Puma is just rank 2. Sohow exactly do I do that? Are there plans to finally separate ww2 (and pre-ww2) vehicles from post ww2 (like vehicles made during the cold war and after) in battles? Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. Despite the hype, Allied fighter-bombers are not hypermaneuverable UFOs when they're laden with their payloads--they're easy meat for things like the Bf 109s and La-5s. At least 5 times! The armor is nowhere never Tiger II H level. 4. You can do just as well with a vehicle that has different strengths if you use those strengths correctly. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. For Centurion Mk.3 vs King Tiger H, The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. Think a bit ahead. Yeah, how is that even an argument? And the overwhelming sense of hopelessness when the enemy team finds outhowithappened, that moment alone is to die for. But be aware of your week side armour. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. All these three things are in fact WT top tier meta. The AR with no armor, lackluster speed, no guns, or perhaps the TA which can only do bomber hunting and perhaps a few light vehicles however with limited ammo and frail frame it will get eaten by .50 CAL You can check the loadout options, you either have to pick a fighter, bomber or an attacker, there are no multi task missile and bomb armed super props that can wreck havoc on the ground and then dominate the sky. No, it really isn't. The T34 where as it has more penetration it has a longer reload and solid shot which recently seems to have suffered a reduced damage output off it round. The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. I think it's important to call out that there are a lot of different aspects to mobility. This puts Germany in a lose/lose position when choosing their plane to call in. With no premiums in the medium br.s it is difficult to break even. Also hull down does not stop long 88 or 100mm from penetrating you and kill or wipe out your turret crew. There's only one brit 6.7 with atgms, but theres like 5 total with stabs and apds, Also no, the long 88 does not go through T__ tanks with ease, you have to shoot for weakspots which is quite difficultif the enemy is moving or at long range. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. 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